Topic #4. I HAD a dream
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1. I HAD a dream
Mon, Sep 20, 1999 - 1:39 AM/EST
alicia

When I hear the famous speech by Martin Luther

King I hear a message full of love and acceptance

and respect to ALL people. I hear a man invoke

love as an ointment for our racial wounds. In

this philosophy there was no room for the KKK,

White Citizens Council, Nazis or anyone which

chose to denigrate others based on

racial,religious or gender differences. The

message was loud and clear: all people standing

tall in the beam of equality. Not one group

getting to center stage only to knock the other

off.

Today I feel that many who fought so hard for

equality have trampled Dr. King's message in the

melee. Instead of having the free expression among

all colors we have an increasingly polarized

society where Americans who are black,red or

yellow require solidarity to their own groups. You

are seen as a defector or worse-a "sell out" if

you are caught fraternizing with the "enemy".

There are many pockets remaining in this country

where the slur "niggerlover" can be the lowest of

all insults. It seems to me that this epithet

along with "sell out", "oreo", "uncle tom",

"banana" etc. all sprout from the same seed-"If

you are not with us to the exclusion of all others

than you are against us."

In the program American Love Story there is an

interesting exchange between Cicely and another

black student at Colgate. They have both recently

returned from study abroad in Nigeria. This black

student is the only one willing to speak to her

any more. The others could not tolerate Cicely's

friendships with whites. This woman is suggesting

Cicely give up some of her individuality and

freedom of choice for the solidarity of blacks. I

think several groups which we label hate groups

have the same philosophy for their ilk.

So tell me your thoughts on this. How did Martin

Luther King's message of solidarity among all

humankind get buried under the tonnage of reverse

discrimination, preferences and racia

2. I HAD a dream(the rest)
Mon, Sep 20, 1999 - 1:45 AM/EST
alicia

[Sorry about the cut off but the rest of my topic

is as follows:]

How did Martin Luther king's message of solidarty

among all humankind get buried under the tonnage

of reverse discrimination, preferences and racial

polarization?

Did anyone listening?

3. I continue to dream
Mon, Sep 20, 1999 - 4:54 AM/EST
demara

Colorblindness is an ideal, not a reality. I have the same dream that Martin Luther King had, but it is a dream for my grandchildren. In my lifetime, I have seen things improve. It's not enough, but sometimes things seem worse before they get better. Don't give up on the dream, Alicia. It's progressing along slowly and maybe that's the only way for it to eventually come true.

4. I had a dream?
Mon, Sep 20, 1999 - 9:05 AM/EST
c

What is the American DREAM? Do we dream of love that crosses racial barriers or something else?

I was troubled by the seeming helplessness the family showed towards Bill's drinking/lifestyle. He HAD to play the blues and drink and on and on or he would die. Isn't this a cop out? I wonder what his dream is. A creative person like Bill can't create a better solution? What does his wife/family secretly dream for him?

Some people used to argue that black people should get trained for skilled labor and develop a financial foundation, because money is what really changes life in America. Another side argued that black people needed to get advanced educations in order to advance (and prove that blacks were intellectually competitive with everyone else). I wonder what the children in this film think. One child has a "great" education from a "great" university, but she has a hard time getting a job and moving on with her life. Another child has street skills that get him into trouble with the law. What is the dream? Are we talking about MLK's? Dubois'? What are people really dreaming about?

5. I Had A Dream
Mon, Sep 20, 1999 - 3:23 PM/EST
ben

There's nothing mutually exclusive about making money, building a foundation, and receiving a solid higher education. That's my interpretation of the "Dream," at any rate. As for eventual colorblindness in this nation... I see no reason to believe it's an inevitability. I can hope that, incredibly, our offspring will solve all the race problems, and be wiser and more tolerant than we are, but I see trends today in the opposite direction, so, as far as that goes, it remains merely a wish. However, I am pragmatic, and my hope can be realized by investing for my children's future in an educational trust fund and savings for their (hopeful) eventual purchase of a home. Community-wise, I do invest currently in several minority scholarship funds. As for the present, outside of behavior mandated changed by law, I cannot cite many instances of institutional change in racial attitudes. How do you measure such change?

6. The dream
Mon, Sep 20, 1999 - 4:18 PM/EST

Should the goal really be color blindness? A

person's culture, whether its race, gender

preference, religion... is an important part of

who they are. I don't want to be blind to this. I

want to know how that person is the same as me and

how they are different - what I can learn from

them and what I can share. I think one of the

dangers of being truly "colorblind", especially as

a white person, is that it's easy to assume the

other person is just like me - when their

experience may be miles apart, for instance,

having to deal with discrimination. My goal would

be understanding, tolerance and an invitation for

friendship across any barriers.

7. The Dream is still alive
Mon, Sep 20, 1999 - 5:28 PM/EST

I think it's important for different cultures to explore and express their differences so that other people can learn to tolerate and appreciate these differences. For so long only one culture was seen as important, and in many ways still is.

All it takes is a majority of people to step out from the "norm" and make changes, and stop being afraid. This is how civil rights progressed. The majority are becoming the minority.

8. colorblind defined
Tue, Sep 21, 1999 - 10:54 PM/EST
alicia

When I speak of colorblind I'm talking about not

allowing the color of one's skin to shape your

opinion of them. I know that when some people see

me they already have me figured out simply because

I am black.They are usually in for a rude

awakening. Frankly, it gets tiresome trying to

disarm someone else's preconceived notion of me.I

agree with you,bbc, that distinct cultures,

religions etc. are important aspects of society.

I'm not all together with you on the whites not

having to deal with discrimination. We can see

from some messages already posted that whites

considered "obese" suffer discrimination. They are

less likely to get hired or promoted. And we all

know what school life for a chunky kid is like.

I know a Swiss-French woman who was not helped in

a store by French carribean locals.They heard her

speak French and assumed she was from France.A lot

of Jews are white and I don't think I have to

eloborate on their history of discrimination.

9. re: color blindness.
Thu, Sep 23, 1999 - 4:26 PM/EST

I think that the best we can achieve is civility and tolerance for those different from us. Besides, without insecurities, biases, cultural/racial/sexual/religeous identities we become less human. How many of us are comfortable in a group of one, or are satisfied only with membership in humanity. I like the fact that large cities have ethnic enclaves, as long as these communities do not become social traps for its inhabitants. These commnunities will not exist without people who staunchly adhere to old traditions and customs. In some cases this loyalty, identity manifests in uggly bigotry. I will be stafisfied if as a society those outburst are kept to a minimum.

I don't think that I diminish Dr. Kings greatness when I say that his "I have a dream" speech is somewhat outdated. The speach helped move the country in the right direction, but I don't think that Dr. King addressed the issue of interracial romances, of sexual identity. The enlightened view has changed. I remeber texbooks full of melting pot reference 15 years ago. Now more and more minority community leaders are talking about the importance of racial community and identity. Which way will the pendulum swing twenty years from now. I wonder those back sisters (for lack of a better term) who are do not like white male/black female pairings have mothers, grandmothers that felt the same twenty, thirty, fourty years ago.

10. To alicia
Fri, Sep 24, 1999 - 2:14 PM/EST

I agree, discrimination can happen with those who

are white and have other issues (weight, gender

preference, religion, being female in a male

dominated workplace), but for many of us who are

white, it is easy to go around unaware of

prejudice simply because the doors are already

open to us because of our color. I personally

haven't had to deal with much in the way of

discrimination, but is there a single person of

color in our discussion group who can say the

same?

11. OUTRAGEOUS!
Fri, Sep 24, 1999 - 9:29 PM/EST
alicia

Where else in the world can a black woman denounce

the discrimination of WHITES to a white woman who

is insightful to the burden of BLACK

discrimination. This group is wonderful!LOL!

To answer your last question. Of course I've been

a victim of discrimination: Black and a woman

and... I have dreadlocks! But if you put yourself

in the appropriate setting you will get a dose of

it

too. So far you have been very lucky. For whatever

reason that one is discriminated against the

internal gut wrenching feeling is the same for all

of us. The feeling of disempowerment, even if

momentary, feels the same whichever color or

gender. The only thing that changes are the

externals.

12. To Alicia:
Sat, Sep 25, 1999 - 10:08 PM/EST

Yeah, I love the group too. This is fun.